I recently had a one hour conversation with Jonathan Johnson who is running against Governor Gary Herbert to be the 2016 Republican nominee for Governor. I was invited to ask him anything regarding his run for office. Before I get into details I want to note that I thoroughly enjoyed the conversation. He was gracious, candid, and very likeable. I enjoyed getting to know him. As I thought about what I would ask him I reviewed two posts I’ve written on selecting candidates for office: “Questions for Candidates that Won’t be Asked in a Debate” and “Selecting Candidates for Political Office.”

by Rod Mann
by Rod Mann

I asked him to tell me about any circumstances where he did what he believed was correct even though he knew there would be negative consequences. He cited a couple of examples. One was a decision he helped make at Overstock to sue a number of major Wall Street institutions (e.g., Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, Bear Stearns …) for illegal stock manipulation. He knew that this would be unpopular within the finance community and Overstock would have significant legal expenses. What was not known at the time was that death threats would be involved. But the company persisted notwithstanding. One of those who made a threat was even sent to prison. Now 8 years after Overstock started down this path all but one lawsuit has been successfully concluded and the SEC has made regulatory changes. It was ultimately a win for Overstock and Jonathan, but it was a long fight and the outcome was not certain.mark-twain-courage

The other involved his creation of the First Freedom PAC in 2013 which sought to amend state constitutions to shield religious institutions from performing same-sex marriages. This resulted in Overstock being threatened with boycotts and fielding numerous calls from angered shoppers. In spite of a personal difference of opinion, Overstock’s CEO stood by Jonathan’s right of free speech. Jonathan knew his action be would controversial, as the CEO and Overstock itself had supported same-sex marriage. But, in spite of the risk, Jonathan stood firm in a position he felt was right and acted.

Jonathan Johnson is a candidate for the Republican nomination for governor of Utah.
Jonathan Johnson is a candidate for the Republican nomination for governor of Utah.

OK, check – a man of strong convictions who has the courage to act on those and then persist in spite of opposition.

Next we talked about why he is running and what issues he thinks are important. He is running not because he thinks that the current governor is doing a particularly bad job, but because he thinks we can do better. The issues he will be focusing on are:

  • Fiscal Responsibility: At Overstock they included in their annual plans what the company would do if sales were under expectation and expenses exceeded them. They had “disaster plans” that they made when they had the time to carefully consider the impacts of any proposed actions. He wants to be sure that the state has similar plans in place, so that if expected federal funding of programs shrinks or dries up we already know what steps we will take.
  • Common Core: He is opposed to top down educational decisions. He believes that school districts and parents should be able to make most of the decisions associated with the education of children who are under their stewardship.
  • Federal Lands: Jonathan believes the state can do a better job at managing public lands than the federal government and wants to use every tool that the legislature has given the governor to facilitate the transfer federally controlled lands to the state. He believes that gaining control of this land is a key component to Utah becoming more self-reliant.
  • Air Quality: He wants the state to consider using tier 3 fuel standards which would drastically cut fuel emissions.
  • Water: Water is a critical resource and Jonathan believes we can do a better job at conserving this resource. He has spoken with a variety of leaders from various water districts to develop a better sense of the problem and available solutions.

We spoke about problem solving and management style. Jonathan recognizes that the governor does not succeed in isolation. With respect to those who report to him he asks a lot of why questions as they review plans. He wants to understand the “why” so that he can defend the decisions taken. He believes that as a leader he needs to ensure that those he works with get credit for successes and that he is in a position to take the heat when things don’t go as planned.

The hour went quickly. We didn’t spend the entire time talking about the candidate. He asked me a lot of questions as well. I guess Jonathan ascribes to the same philosophy as I do that the “winner” in any discussion is often the person who speaks the least.

I left the meeting wanting to learn more about his thoughts on issues like transportation and roads and ask some additional personal questions. I was impressed with several key characteristics:

  • He is morally grounded and will to stand by his convictions even if they are not popular.
  • Jonathan asks good questions and listens.
  • He is focused on self-reliance.
  • He is a leader as defined by John Kotter (Harvard Business School Professor, and NYT best-selling author).
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Personally, I believe we elect or “hire” leaders to lead on principle, not necessarily public opinion. I don’t expect that they will agree with me 100% of the time (although I will work long and hard to ensure that they do :). I do expect them to become informed, listen to opposing views, make decisions and take ownership of them. Based on what I’ve learned this is what Jonathan Johnson does.

I would recommend that he be given serious consideration as a candidate for governor, especially if you have concerns about Common Core, want the state to control more of its’ lands, and/or believe self-reliance at a state level is important.

I look forward to learning more about Jonathan Johnson.


Originally posted at Mannkind Perspectives. Reposted with permission. 


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